德勒兹：不。

Deleuze : Non.

Deleuze: It's undetermined, it is centers of indetermination.

凯里安：嗯，因为，影像总在感知表面上到达，有些穿过进入间距；有某物被占据，而间距的延续，我们不知道，它是未定的，那里有事发生。事实上彼此构成的事物不……[听不清，因为德勒兹开始回答]

Querrien : Ben, parce que, il arrive tout le temps-là des images sur la surface de perception, il en passe dans l'intervalle ; il y a quelque chose qui est occupé, et la durée de l'intervalle, on ne la connaît pas, elle est indéterminée, et il se passe quelque chose-là. Des choses qui se composent entre elles en fait ne… [ Inaudible parce que Deleuze commence à répondre ]

Deleuze: It could, you say it yourself, it could. But, as you do not offer it to yourself, on the plane of immanence, you can only have centers of indetermination; all determination comes from elsewhere. You absolutely cannot determine your center of indetermination at the level of the plane of immanence, otherwise everything is ruined. Since it is a means — moreover, one must especially not — since this is a means of offering an objective status to indetermination. It consists in saying: careful, indetermination is not a lack of determination. It doesn’t need determination. There is an existence in itself of the indeterminate. This is what matters. When the indeterminate is determined subsequently – but about this, we will have the opportunity to talk this year, it will be with Kant, they come together, they go well together — when the indeterminate receives a determination, it is because — it will simply have to be necessary — one will no longer be on the plane of immanence.

德勒兹：如果有事物……如果有事物来填满缺口，它们来自别处。如果有记忆，它来自别处。[停顿]

Deleuze : S'il y a des choses… s'il y a des choses qui viennent remplir l'écart, elles viennent d'ailleurs. S'il y a de la mémoire, elle vient d'ailleurs. [ Pause ]

Deleuze: There will be a composition between the plane of immanence and something = x and determination, and no doubt, determination will be time; it will be true time, with that, I agree! I agree on all that, but for the moment, we haven't reached all that.

凯里安：为什么？

Querrien : Pourquoi ?

Deleuze: What?

德勒兹：因为……我凭我的[127:00]内在性之平面与我的普遍变化，没有手段去生成任何除瞬时相继之外的东西。

Deleuze : Parce que… Je n'ai pas les moyens avec mon [127 :00] plan d'immanence et mon universelle variation d'engendrer quoi que ce soit qui soit autre chose qu'une succession instantanée.

So there we are, I've completed my first heading in review, and here I haven't deceived you; I've truly gone back over a lot from last year. Now I'm making a little new heading that I'll really continue at our next session, but I just want to tempt you to see for yourself. So I'm saying, the second point that I want to consider: what is this strange work by Beckett called “Film” and for which Beckett has given a written transcription, which you will find in the editions of Comédies et Actes Divers in which there are two things: an admirable, prodigious television piece called “Dis Joe” — as when I say: “hey, you there”, right ? — “Eh Joe”, [131: 00] that’s a TV play, and a movie with Buster Keaton called “Film”. [13]

凯里安：是，但有一个，因为间距，它是完全可变的……

Querrien : Oui, mais il y en a une, parce que l'intervalle, il est complètement variable…

Deleuze: At such a level, I think of [Herman] Melville. Melville, it’s something that … where all of a sudden, he creates … For him, it's his last book, a book that looks so unlike anything. We tell ourselves: well, what was he looking for, where did he want to go? Usually, when you come across books of such genius, you tell yourself, but where does he want to go, what is he trying to do? We don’t have an answer because the guy stops. So, Bergson didn’t stop. It's not that everything else isn't beautiful, it's wonderful, it's even awesome, but, no, something's there that only emerged there, in this first chapter.

德勒兹：它是未定的，这是些不确定性中心。

Deleuze : Il est indéterminé, c'est des centres d'indétermination.